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beltboy
08-28-2014 @ 2:07 PM                          
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I am a first year coach, but have significant history in the game.  I am coaching a first year coach pitch team, and have a lot of players that short arm, or throw from behind the ear.  

I need help in trying to get this to stop. 1) It prevents strong and accurate throws, 2)it will eventually hurt the players.

I've tried several "internet drills"- knee drill, reach back fingers to the sky, Football goal, towel, etc ... no matter how great we get some of these players "starting point"  as they start their motions, the arm bends inside 90 degrees and goes right to the back of the head/ear.  

Please help.  showing and showing and even physically moving their bodies just isn't working.

regards,
coach short arm

JC_Baseball
08-28-2014 @ 4:44 PM                          
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Dear Belt Boy:
I for one do not think that short arming is detrimental to all facets of the game. In Coach Pitch are we talking 6-7-8 and 9 year olds? The reason I am asking is these boys should be developed at this stage and I am sure you are aware of this.

In my experiences it is easier to teach a shortarmer to go to long arming than it ever was to change a long armer to go back to short arming.

Catchers, MIF's and third baseman need to cut the bottom part of their arm path (long) circle especially as batter runners become quicker in Legion, Babe Ruth and HS baseball.

Also guys like Roger Clemens were short-armers as a pitcher.

Our success has always been based on making our throwers break their "thumbs down" as they break their hands from their gloves.

That should help - so let us - me know.

JC


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09-07-2014 @ 9:56 PM                          
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The ThrowMAX was invented to stop players from short
arming the ball. It works. One of the major
negatives of short arming the ball is inside out
motion of the hand causes the fingers to not stay
behind the ball. So in essence the player is
throwing an unintentional slider. You can see a dot
in the middle of the ball coming at you.
Of the 12 players that I coached from kindergarten
through 2nd grade, Four of them pitched at the
varsity level as Juniors. They all wore the ThrowMAX
in Kindergarten and later if they need a refresher.
I still am working with these players during the off
season workouts.
Here is a link to a slow motion video of a pick play
and a pitch from the stretch.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BzrSLiKGrIxsa1JuZWpHeS04Z3c/preview?pli=1

Tim
Kafer

This message was edited by TimKafer on 9-7-14 @ 10:28 PM

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09-07-2014 @ 11:38 PM                          
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Here is a link to Baseball Excellence Throwers Check list. It does a great job in covering the basics and is easy to
understand.
https://www.throwmax.com/x/pages.php?pageid=10&mode=preview

Tim

beltboy
09-08-2014 @ 1:50 PM                          
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Thanks for the feedback on the ThrowMax.  Actually shortly after posting this I bought one for my son.  While I do think it works, he simply refuses to wear it because he says it hurts.  I will indorse it as it absolutley prevents the arm from hiding behind the ear, and keeps the arm more or less close to 90.  However, he simply cries if we make him wear it.  

A couple of recent activites that is starting to help is the obvious 1) you have to watch your target at all times 2) stress keeping the elbow up when throwing (we often stand next to a player with our hand under the elbow to keep it up, 3) push to get the kids to turn/rotate and get the elbow to lead the arm......  What we really need is to somehow get the kids arms out away from the body..... we're making progress its just slow especially since there are so many skills in the game to work on, its simply to hard to get the needed repetitions in.

I am still interested in additional advice on the subject from others.  Another drill that was recently shared was to have the player make a big full circle and with a tennis ball throw it straight down and see how hight they can make it bounce.  More than anything it allows them to throw Hard, but does get the arm up a little higher the the 'short low arming', but is showing a challenge to get the arm reached back.......


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09-09-2014 @ 3:08 PM                          
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I believe what I said here below to be true through 27 years of experience. All shortarming is NOT bad. A middle IF or F5 cannot long-arm circle the ball or otherwise the batter-runners at other levels will be safe as the back runner.

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Dear Belt Boy:

I for one do not think that short arming is detrimental to all facets of the game. In Coach Pitch are we talking 6-7-8 and 9 year olds? The reason I am asking is these boys should be developed at this stage and I am sure you are aware of this.

In my experiences it is easier to teach a shortarmer to go to long arming than it ever was to change a long armer to go back to short arming.

Catchers, MIF's and third baseman need to cut the bottom part of their arm path (long) circle especially as batter runners become quicker in Legion, Babe Ruth and HS baseball.

Also guys like Roger Clemens were short-armers as a pitcher.

Our success has always been based on making our throwers break their "thumbs down" as they break their hands from their gloves.

JC

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09-09-2014 @ 5:08 PM                          
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If the ThrowMAX is hurting his arm then he really
needs it. You can move the stay that is inside the
bend of the arm away from the body so it is at the
edge of the bend of the arm. This will allow the
elbow to bend more than 90 degrees but will exert
presser on the forearm and the bicep when he goes
much beyond a 90 degree bend. With each use the
ThrowMAX should become more comfortable as the
player quits fighting it. The Stay that is inside
the bend of the arm is 1/16 polypropylene plastic
and is easily bent. It starts exerting force on the
arm if trying to go beyond 90 degree bend.
If your son will not wear it please send back to me
and I will refund your money.


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09-09-2014 @ 5:34 PM                          
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JC
I think  you are referring to the arm path from hand
break to the power position as short arming.
I look at short arming as a collapsed L in the power
position. The hand is near the ear or inside the
elbow as the player moves from the power position
and to when he squares to target. Roger Clements
came in a bit but not beyond 5 degrees as he started
to square to the plate. When he reached the high
power position his hand was outside his elbow.




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