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Discussion Topic: H-R - M I S S E D - B A S E
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427sixpack |
07-26-2010 @ 12:05 AM
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This i found to be interesting at my 12 year olds little williamsport little league game & would like clarification please:
score 3-1
With a base runner on first a home run is hit, the player on first that came home never touched home plate, he stood beyond the plate along with the entire team to congradulate the home run hitter ( even though it was not a game ending / winning home run ) the umpire called him out, after the batter that hit the home run touched home after him. I think thats the right call, since he can no longer go back & touch the base. Did this have to be appealed by a coach ? eventhough the umpire called him out on his own on the spot ? The manager of the team that was denied the run, talked to the official scorer & the scorerer over ruled the play that the umpire called & said he was not out & that it had to be apealed by the other team, before the next pitch, even if appealed the player had already returned to the dugout & it also would have been impossible to continue play as the entire team was out at home plate for a celebration, ( interference / obstruction ) ?? so the game continued & the score was now tied 3-3 My sons team won anyway , but i really would love to know the real RULE on this ??? ANYONE ?
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DelawareBlue |
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07-26-2010 @ 6:12 AM
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A missed base is an appeal play. The runner is assumed
to have touched the base or plate unless the defense
makes a proper appeal.
...it also would have been impossible to continue
play as the entire team was out at home plate for a
celebration, ( interference / obstruction ) ??
Once the celebration is over and the offense returns to
the dugout (the umpire should order them back into the
dugout if needed), the umpire will put the ball back in
play and then the defense can appeal.
Bill
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427sixpack |
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07-26-2010 @ 5:58 PM
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so the HPU can not call the runner out, the defense has to appeal ? is this correct ? is that why the HPU was over ruled ? if thats the case then the defense never would have had a chance to appeal, the umpire already called the first runner out ????
IMPUT ??? THANKS ...........
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DelawareBlue |
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07-26-2010 @ 7:34 PM
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The umpire screwed up. At one time, high school rules
differed from all others. The umpire would call a
runner out for a base running error - there were no
appeals. That changed some years back - probably 8 +/-
years. Now all rules require the defense to make an
appeal. NCAA and OBR are basically the same - all
appeals must be made when the ball is live. High
school allows both live and dead ball appeals.
if thats the case then the defense never would have
had a chance to appeal, the umpire already called the
first runner out ????
In my opinion, the umpire's mistake cannot (by rule)
prevent the defense from exercising its opportunity to
make a proper appeal. The defense is entitled to make
the appeal once the ball is made live providing there
has been no intervening play (not part of continuing
action) or pitch. The umpire just ends up looking
bad...and he has no one to blame but himself.
Bill
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Gary_Embrey |
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07-26-2010 @ 7:57 PM
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the scorerer over ruled the play that the umpire called & said he was not out
As Bill said, the umpire erred. But I have a real problem with the official scorer "overuling" the umpire. Right or wrong, the umpire is in charge of the game. Like it or not, the scorer is not in a position to add or take-away runs (or outs/safes for that matter) based on whether he/she believes the umpire is not correct. The most the scorer should have done is tell the manager he can protest the game. The game would continue under protest, or if it's some kind of tournament, the director would probably be summoned to make a decision "on the spot" so you wouldn't have to replay the game from that point. And in my opinion, the protest would probably be upheld since it is not based on judgment but the umpire's application of the rule/penalty.
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DelawareBlue |
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07-26-2010 @ 8:08 PM
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If this was a LL All Star game, all protests must be
resolved before the game continues. Protests go to the
tournament director, the regional office, and then
Williamsport. Could be the "official scorer" was
actually the tournament director?
Bill
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greybeard |
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07-26-2010 @ 8:50 PM
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Where were the tournament directors while all this was going on?
This message was edited by greybeard on 7-26-10 @ 8:51 PM
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427sixpack |
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07-26-2010 @ 11:33 PM
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WOW all great info..........thanks !!!
last question, after a home run over the wall is hit, is the ball DEAD ? or ALIVE ?
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DelawareBlue |
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07-27-2010 @ 5:11 AM
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The ball is dead when it lands outside the field of play
or in dead ball territory. Before the defense can make
an appeal after the ball is dead, the umpire must give a
baseball to the pitcher, the pitcher must be in contact
with the pitcher's plate, and the umpire says "Play."
In other cases where the ball remains live (no stoppage
in play and/or time was not called), it's not necessary
for the ball to go back to the pitcher - that is a myth.
The defense can just appeal the missed base.
Bill
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