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JC_Baseball
05-30-2012 @ 1:29 PM                          
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I went to this game last night and then later had the luxury of watching a replay, something that Umpires do not have in real time.

It still seems to me (at least in this case last night) that it is (still) all about positioning. Clearly the replay luxuray showed Arias' foot on the back 1 1/2 'beats' before the ARZ first baseman caught the ball. I guess when a team is scuffling to tie or get back in a game - emotions are exacerbated.

I think replay has a future in the game, I just don't want it where it does not belong.

Bruce Jenkins is a very decent writer and here is his article.

The BU1 was Brian O'Nora.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/05/30/SPM81OP191.DTL

Jim_Thompson
05-30-2012 @ 2:05 PM                          
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Where does it stop? We have technology today where we  could put sensors in a player's uniforn,in the ball  and on the plate where an umpire to call balls and strikes is not needed. The machine would call pitches. I'm not sure how a checked swing would be handled.We could do the same on the bases; sensors on the bases, in shoes and gloves. Balks might be tougher. Maybe the umpire(s) could sit in an air conditioned room in an easy chair and just call things like balks, interference, obstruction , catch or no catch etc etc. Wonder what baseball will look like in 10 years?  

Jim

JC_Baseball
05-30-2012 @ 2:43 PM                          
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Hopefully the cycling in and out of various crews of umpires will help re-invigorate that side of the game. There are bad ball players and bad _________ in every craft on the planet.

  When they go to double first bases in amatuer ball, I'm going to created a blog www.nodoublefirstbases.com    

Gary_Embrey
05-31-2012 @ 12:18 AM                          
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It's all about money. Football has replay because of gambling.  Too much money is at stake and that was the driving force behind it.

The biggest problem with pro baseball umpires is this "holier than thou I can't be wrong how dare you question me" attitude.  It's cultivated at umpire school and grows with the ego. Is it really such a bad thing to get with your partner(s) and ask "was I on another planet?".  But you know that a pro umpire that does that will not have a job next year-union or no union. I'm not talking about bang-bang plays.  It's the one where everyone at the stadium, including the vendor under the stands, knows the play was missed. Instead, we're treated to an argument that usually results in a manager getting tossed-and more often than not he had a legit beef. As JC said, most of the time is because something strange happened and the umpire couldn't get a good look.  (Then there are those that have a good look and we're still wondering what it was they saw: read Jim Joyce or the Tim and Bill Welke competition for worst call in baseball this month.)

Replay is coming, it's just a matter of when and how it will be implemented.  When owners are shelling out billions for a team and paying players $100's of millions, you bet they don't want their post-season chances riding on the back of people they believe are idiots to begin with.  And explain to me why three of the four umpires really need to run back to the clubhouse to review a replay?  Heck, stand there and look at the jumbotron for goodness sake.  Run it back in real-speed.  If you can't tell, the call stands.  Fix the obvious miss and get on with the game.  Heck, even cricket has replay.


  

Jim_Thompson
05-31-2012 @ 7:38 AM                          
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First Soccer, now Cricket. What is the world coming to?

Jim

mstaylor38
05-31-2012 @ 9:10 AM                          
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The problem is baseball doesn't lend itself tp replay
in many cases. I really don't have a problem with the
fair/foul, HR and fan interference calls.
Think about the play that Leland got tossed over, the
D3K. Say there is R1 and R2 and two outs. The catcher
catchers the ball on the dirt, as happened in this
case, but the BU thinks it short hopped. At that point
the BR takes off and the catcher throws to first. You
go to replay and it shows the catcher caught it. What
do you do with the runners, put them back or let them
keep their stolen bases?
Sometimes you just can't fix the problem. Hockey and
basketball have scoring replay only, and ways to remedy  
a problem. Football for the most part can fix problems
but occasionally not. For anybody that watched the LLWS
with their rediculous replay rules. They were replaying
obvious plays and it took forever. The problem with
replay at baseball games is it complicates the
logistics. It is not just adding an umpire in a room to
watch replay. It means addition cabling every time the
TV crew moves. It means extra gear and set up time. You
are adding extra setup time, extra gear and additional
transport costs. I do this for a living so I know what
I am talking about.
Currently the feeds from all games are sent to NY and
sorted out there. The umpires are told what is on the
replay, they don't see it. They all go so rulings can
be discussed out of sight of the cameras. At LLWS they
have two fields equidistant between the control truck,
and one replay room. They set up and stay there for two
weeks. MLB has TV crews moving constantly. For example,
the Yankees has YES covering their games unless they
are on ESPN, who has their own gear.  


JC_Baseball
05-31-2012 @ 6:26 PM                          
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And Then We Have Hawk Harrelson...

http://mlb.sbnation.com/2012/5/30/3053352/ken-hawk-harrelson-mark-wegner-ejection-white-sox-rays

DelawareBlue
05-31-2012 @ 9:36 PM                          
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Hawk Harrelson?  As Bugs Bunny would say, "What a maroon."

Harrelson is one of the few people who can make Tim McCarver, Joe Morgan, and Jim Palmer look like geniuses.

Bill

JC_Baseball
05-31-2012 @ 9:42 PM                          
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Hawk gives a bad name to someone like Bud Harrelson...

JC_Baseball
05-31-2012 @ 9:46 PM                          
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Russel Martin's side of the story...

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/new-york-yankees-russell-Martin-says-umpire-denied-letting-him-throw-053112

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